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RUMOUR: Diablo III Before StarCraft II?

Posted 14th Sep 2008 07:21 PM by Leord

This is just so silly that we did not plan on reporting on it at all. However, since everyone else is reporting on it we will at least make a note out of it… The basic thing is that Battleforums reported that a “source” had told them StarCraft II development had reached a halt, and all effort was being put into Diablo III, which would also be released first.

[Starcraft 2] is still being worked on, but only by a minuscule amount of people compared to what [Blizzard] put on the Diablo 3 team.

Now, this is BS. We have been told that there are around 40 people working actively on SCII, like it was a year ago, and the DIII team is about the same size. There are another hundred arguments for that it should be BS as well, but no point wasting your time… Don’t believe everything you read, and if in doubt, ask StarCraftWire.net wink

I’m actually a tad disappointed in Battleforums for doing such a tasteless stunt. I’m sure it will have given them a lot of hits but was it worth it for tarnishing their reputation? This is NOT something we would have called news worthy, and we throw away similar “news items” all the time. Had it not been for the hype, we would not have reported on it at all.




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Troglodyte
Posted 15, Sep 2008 11:08 AM
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[QUOTE=zyo;6529]Diablo III can be release before Starcraft II even with less people and with less time. Why? Because Starcraft is a very high competitive multiple game and require iterative balancing. When you change a unit in any way the whole thing has be rebalance. Having 3 races that build, fight and move differently is a hell harder to balance than having 1 zillion weapons fit all fit in a database for speed/damage/level balancing. Moreover Diablo III will have imbalance like Diablo 2 had, they will be fix later. I didn’t say that Starcraft II will be perfectly balanced but the importance is a lot more important since they want tournament and reach hard core RTS gamer.

A big welcome to our long time forum lurker Zyo. smile

Before I go into this, I’d like to make clear that I’m by no means an expert on professional gaming.  Also, I absolutely agree that StarCraft II will be a highly competitive game that will require much tuning - even after the game’s release.

With that out of the way, let’s get into some statistics:

  • Warcraft III : Reign of Chaos: released in July 2002 and added to the WCG in 2003 for the October event.  During this full year, the patch history climbed to 1.06 before jumping to 1.12 by July 2003 after the release of the first expansion.

So yes, StarCraft II will require a lot of balancing before release however there’s only so much testing that can be done during development or even with a beta.  I dare say there will be many strategies that won’t even be discovered even after the initial few patches.

Looking at the Warcraft III history it’s a safe bet the game will be heavily patched for a good 12 months before it’s even considered esports worthy.

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Troglodyte
Posted 15, Sep 2008 11:08 AM
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[QUOTE=zyo;6529]Diablo III can be release before Starcraft II even with less people and with less time. Why? Because Starcraft is a very high competitive multiple game and require iterative balancing. When you change a unit in any way the whole thing has be rebalance. Having 3 races that build, fight and move differently is a hell harder to balance than having 1 zillion weapons fit all fit in a database for speed/damage/level balancing. Moreover Diablo III will have imbalance like Diablo 2 had, they will be fix later. I didn’t say that Starcraft II will be perfectly balanced but the importance is a lot more important since they want tournament and reach hard core RTS gamer.

A big welcome to our long time forum lurker Zyo. smile

Before I go into this, I’d like to make clear that I’m by no means an expert on professional gaming.  Also, I absolutely agree that StarCraft II will be a highly competitive game that will require much tuning - even after the game’s release.

With that out of the way, let’s get into some statistics:

  • Warcraft III : Reign of Chaos: released in July 2002 and added to the WCG in 2003 for the October event.  During this full year, the patch history climbed to 1.06 before jumping to 1.12 by July 2003 after the release of the first expansion.

So yes, StarCraft II will require a lot of balancing before release however there’s only so much testing that can be done during development or even with a beta.  I dare say there will be many strategies that won’t even be discovered even after the initial few patches.

Looking at the Warcraft III history it’s a safe bet the game will be heavily patched for a good 12 months before it’s even considered esports worthy.

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Leord
Posted 15, Sep 2008 12:28 PM
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Welcome Zyo!

Still, I don’t think you are right. Diablo III will probably feature a lot *better* balance than D2. Even though the game might primarily be co-op based, they will probably have SOME interest in PvP tournaments at SOME point. It’s probably about the same difficulty to balance 5 classes and all the different weapons to three races and all the different units and costs…

The thing is, Battle.net will launch with SC2, and they have said B.net will be out before D3…

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synteny
Posted 15, Sep 2008 06:14 PM
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[QUOTE=Orphan;6537]
Considering the time that SC2 has been in development (or at least announced) as opposed to D3, I strongly believe it’s Blizzard’s plan to release SC2 before D2.

I find this hardly believable. :smug:

To the point: while I will readily admit that I have not kept up with Diablo 3, I do believe that StarCraft 2 is way ahead in development, besides as others mentioned they have a considerable amount of balancing of their own to do and they have not even established all of the classes yet to be able to do so properly.

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synteny
Posted 15, Sep 2008 06:14 PM
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[QUOTE=Orphan;6537]
Considering the time that SC2 has been in development (or at least announced) as opposed to D3, I strongly believe it’s Blizzard’s plan to release SC2 before D2.

I find this hardly believable. :smug:

To the point: while I will readily admit that I have not kept up with Diablo 3, I do believe that StarCraft 2 is way ahead in development, besides as others mentioned they have a considerable amount of balancing of their own to do and they have not even established all of the classes yet to be able to do so properly.

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Weird Food & Devastation
Posted 15, Sep 2008 06:57 PM
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You know I don’t find this so hard to believe. Frank Pierce did after all say that he hoped that Starcraft II would come out before Diablo III. Which means he has a pretty good idea on the development of both games, and enough of a reason to suspect that Diablo III could potentially come out first.

We can’t really speculate much more then that. However after BlizCon who knows. What I can say is this Diablo III’s classes are probably already picked, we just don’t know what they are yet. What is lacking is a rogue character, a pure mage, and I’m going to bet on another, more traditional, fighter.

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Weird Food & Devastation
Posted 15, Sep 2008 06:57 PM
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You know I don’t find this so hard to believe. Frank Pierce did after all say that he hoped that Starcraft II would come out before Diablo III. Which means he has a pretty good idea on the development of both games, and enough of a reason to suspect that Diablo III could potentially come out first.

We can’t really speculate much more then that. However after BlizCon who knows. What I can say is this Diablo III’s classes are probably already picked, we just don’t know what they are yet. What is lacking is a rogue character, a pure mage, and I’m going to bet on another, more traditional, fighter.

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zyo
Posted 15, Sep 2008 08:12 PM
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Leord, I have play Diablo and Diablo 2 and 99% of the players play against the mobs, pvp is optional and have probably very little chance to be balance at the release of Diablo 3. But the reality is that it’s not important; people at first will level up and beat up the game.
However Starcraft II is about competition from day one (because you don’t have to level up or find items). The pressure on Starcraft II is greater than Diablo 3 because of the tournement issue. Have you ever seen a Diablo 2 star doing tv show and winning money? Starcraft still have…
A side note on balancing item: Most item will be random and unique items will be rare. So it’s very very long before everyone use the same overpowered item, thus making the problem harder to find but less evil that a super unit combo that everyone will know (and use) pretty fast in Starcraft.

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zyo
Posted 15, Sep 2008 08:12 PM
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Leord, I have play Diablo and Diablo 2 and 99% of the players play against the mobs, pvp is optional and have probably very little chance to be balance at the release of Diablo 3. But the reality is that it’s not important; people at first will level up and beat up the game.
However Starcraft II is about competition from day one (because you don’t have to level up or find items). The pressure on Starcraft II is greater than Diablo 3 because of the tournement issue. Have you ever seen a Diablo 2 star doing tv show and winning money? Starcraft still have…
A side note on balancing item: Most item will be random and unique items will be rare. So it’s very very long before everyone use the same overpowered item, thus making the problem harder to find but less evil that a super unit combo that everyone will know (and use) pretty fast in Starcraft.

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Leord
Posted 16, Sep 2008 11:06 AM
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That’s very true, and so have I =)

What I’m saying is that They are actively getting WoW into eSports, and with a dedicated team for eSports alone, the chances are pretty big that they will be going a DIFFERENT path with DIII. DCII is naturally made to follow SCI, no questions.

The Diablo III FAQ also states that there will be competetive play. I think it’s a very good tactical decision to not mention any eSports plans until late in development, since majority of players are into PvE, and this focus this early would set them off (remember the Art controversy?

I’m not 100% saying it will, I’m just saying Blizzard are more about money now than before (still mostly about the game), and they would not turn down a venue for more money, especially with the "no unwanted PvP action" clause.

BTW: Two debunks of this rumour:

http://www.incgamers.com/Games/1935/News/Diablo-III-Release-Date-Rumour-Debunked/13753

http://www.starcraft-source.com/index.php?shownews=178

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